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PP2 at Gapin

Postby Tetge » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:57 pm

There was a recent youtube video by some clown that was about the PP2 Mustang that he discovered that Galpin had. I checked Ford's site and looked and here is a window sticker for the car shown... $49590, but it is the Premium model and it also has a $2200 useless interior upgrade option and the $895 active exhaust. The base GT with only the PP2 package would be $42495 MSRP.... The 305 tires all around are on nice rims, and they stick out into the air up front, as the fenders are not flared for them. Of course, this also widens the cars footprint front and rear, which also aids handling. The tires are clearly reduced tread depth full on race tires, which would last about two days, but, I am thinking that the car will have massive grip.

But, $50K Mustang GT's? Glad I got my 2017, or I might have been priced out of ever owning a new Mustang GT again.


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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby SonicVenum » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:15 am

Doesn't seem too bad for a nicely appointed baby-GT350. :think:
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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby SVTRonDogg » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:39 pm

Wouldn’t shock me if those idiots at Galpin had ADM on it.
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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby xbacksideslider » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:20 pm

Is Bert Boekmann still around?

I appreciate their maintenance of the Roscoe northbound on-ramp landscaping
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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby SVTRonDogg » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:24 pm

xbacksideslider wrote:Is Bert Boekmann still around?

I appreciate their maintenance of the Roscoe northbound on-ramp landscaping


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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby xjrguy » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:06 pm

SVTRonDogg wrote:Wouldn’t shock me if those idiots at Galpin had ADM on it.



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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby Tetge » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:50 pm

My family got a new F150 in San Fernando when Galpin's empire when it was still almost just a store front. I have done more than one deal with Galpin as they seem to have a vast inventory, and, they are into performance machines. They had an original 289 Shelby Cobra on the sales floor, for the outrageous sum of $3995, when my parents bought that F150. I was still a kid, but, I already new about the Shelby Cobras. But, $3995, was a huge sum for a toy, back then.

The word is that you can never get a good deal from Galpin, and, I have no reason to doubt this, but, you can grind them down at times, so they will deal, and, if they have the goods one sometimes has to pay more. All dealers do the supply and demand thing, as anyone looking at a GT350 can attest to. I am told, as another example. that the $34000+ MSRP Civic Type R is being marked up $15000, everywhere! But, I can not see why the $6500 PP option should be considered any more valuable than the $3995 PP1 option, as both can be ordered, and it is only substitution of parts, and some are already optional, not a special model. I'd expect no restrictions on a Costco deal if I were to order one (order code 673, I believe), as the dealer that handles Costco deals told me that I would get the Costco deal even if I ordered a 2017. I didn't order, but, a month later my current stripper. base model, white GT, appeared in their inventory, so I went down there ASAP, and snapped it up. Of course, with the new 2018's out, I am now a helpless sheep waiting to be plucked assuming that a 2016-2018, heavily discounted base, 455 HP, Camaro SS (MSRP $42995) does not finish me off before my own Mustang kinfolk can do the deed, as the reviewers still pick the SS as a true driver's car and a wonderful car for the price, performance wise.

So, track nuts have a new Mustang to consider as it should stick like glue, and, many reports are saying that the new 307 was underrated at 460 HP, by Ford. All I know is that the new MT82-D4 trans goes almost 100 MPH in second gear with the stock 3.55;s, and 92, or so, in second at its 7400 RPM red line, with the PP1 and PP2, 3.73 ratio. If I were a kid, with a base, no options, $35995 MSRP, 2018 Mustang GT, I'd be taking people for rides and running second gear out to 100 MPH. This would be fun, as the new 307 starts to really pull above 6000 RPM, unlike earlier versions. But, it also indicates how crazy modern muscle cars have become. as it also goes almost 130 in 3rd gear. These days I usually stay under 130 on the way to the store, so, the 2018 manual is a three speed for practical purposes. It goes 55 in first with PP1, so, at the Streets, one would could slip back into first and have some headroom, and then use the 92 MPH second gear for most of the track. With those grippy PP2, 305's, all around, and the significant stiffer springs and sway bars and computer tuning, it should be able to represent right off the showroom floor. And, since in several conversations, Ford Racing told me that the Coyote senses and actually takes advantage of increased octane, up to at least 97 or 98 octane, and since it is rated for 93 octane, blending up some unleaded 97 octane is possible if you have station nearby that pumps unleaded VP 100 octane Street Flash at $8.95 a gallon (last time I was there). Last summer I got up to over 97 octane for weeks, and, I could hear and feel the difference, but, at the end of summer, I returned to 91, and, after a few drive cycles, the car adjusted to that just fine. No sense in more HP when the tires just spin on the cold pavement.

Willow also sells race fuel, but, more expensive, and, also, it takes some drive cycles per Ford Racing for the car to fully adapt to more octane, so the station with the VP fuel, which also includes pumps with VP regular and with a 93 octane mix (a 50/50 blend of 87 and 100 as all stations carry only regular and premium and blend the in between mix). I quickly ascertained that I could blend the 93 octane fuel myself a lot less expensively, so the station does a major rip off price wise for 93. $8.95 (and it may have gone up now) for 100 unleaded is steep, but it blends with pump 91 and this is easy to figure. As an example, 1 gallon of 100 mix with 3 gallons of 91 = 3 X 91 (273) + 100 divided by the 4 total gallons = 93.25 octane. If 91 were $3.50 and 100, $8.95, that would be $4.84 a gallon for 93. To get to 97 or more, takes some estimating of the amount of fuel on board, but it is possible if you pay attention.
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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby SonicVenum » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:41 pm

Is it me, or is that ^^^ the kind of post one would make if one purchased a 2018 PP2 Mustang GT? :think:
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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby Tetge » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:22 am

SonicVenum wrote:Is it me, or is that ^^^ the kind of post one would make if one purchased a 2018 PP2 Mustang GT? :think:


If Ford released a street Mustang all set up for drag racing, as Dodge has done, it might tempt me, but, road racing or even canyon carving for recreation, in a cage, has never interested me from the time that I got my license at 15 years old. I expect that this is because I am a drag racer at heart, and also because since my first new 1967 Yamaha 350 twin, until my current 690 KTM Duke, motorcycles clearly are the superior platform for street performance. Even if the cage is a new Vette with 650 HP, or some exotic iron, it will be handicapped versus motorcycles, even those with significantly less straight line performance and a lot less cornering power.

A motorcycle, you see, can legally split lanes in California, and, on top of that, motorcycles can pass in places that big cages (and all cages are big) can not. Any spirited motorcyclist can affirm that a motorcycle can even split between oncoming traffic and the traffic that they are passing, should things get unexpectedly tight. Naturally, not being a spirited rider personally, I have only witnessed this, but, I have seen it happen numerous times.

So, a PP2 Mustang is not of interest to me, and, I'd save the money, since it is not really going to be inexpensive to contantly replace those expensive tires, and the aero parts of front on the factory lowered car are prone to getting hammered on the road, as they are close to the pavement.

For drag racing a base Mustang with only the 10 speed auto at under $38K MSRP would be the obvious starting place since one would add only the parts, and mods, that were needed for drag racing. Things such as heavy duty Ford Racing half shafts and better IRS cages and proper gearing for the 1/4 and exhaust would all have to be changed anyway. And, even stock, with just a set of rear DR's, it appears that the new car can do 11's for sure, based upon videos of runs made by folks with the new 10 speed car.

But, track hounds might want the PP2 stuff, although it is said that a Camaro SS LT1 would still rule at the track, and the Camaro is less expensive by far and fully loaded with features inside and out. A PP2 car would be $50K MSRP versus the LT1 at $43K MSPR, after the $2K current rebate. No being a track person, all I can rely on are the countless raves about the LT1's world class driving goodness both on the street and at the track. This goodness is awarded even though even the most hard core Camaro fan boys can not allege that it is possible to see out of a Camaro with its gangster styling and gun port slit windows. The Camaro wins the performance reviews, but, the Mustang wins the daily driver, nice car, awards. The PP2 car may not have the overall goodness of the soft, comfortable, PP1 package, although this remains to be seen, if one gives any credence to reviews at all, such as the videos of laps at the Streets of by Randy Pobst(?). The only current production Mustang that he raves about is the GT350R....
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Re: PP2 at Gapin

Postby jhwalker » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:49 pm

When getting the Escape legal at South Bay Ford I noticed two 350s sitting there. I would have taken either if I had spare coin...
I'll look for pics...
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